St John'S, Perry Barr, 236th Birmingham Scout Group
Charity 509434
www.PerryBarrScouts.btck.co.uk
Overview
Summary
St John'S, Perry Barr, 236th Birmingham Scout Group appears to be a local youth-development organisation using a broad mix of educational, cultural and sporting activity to build civic capability. Its stated purpose places discipline, loyalty and citizenship at the centre, suggesting that activities are intended not only as recreation but as a practical setting for personal and social development. The available evidence indicates a service-based model for children and young people, but gives little visibility of its local partnerships, reach or distinctive programme delivery.
Operational geography
Evidence and reasoning
Supporting evidence
Perry Barr
Confidence: high
The Scouts' current official group page identifies regular Beaver, Cub and Scout meetings at St John's Church Centre in Perry Barr. Birmingham City Council identifies St John's Church Hall as a venue within Perry Barr Ward.
- The Scout Association — 236th Birmingham (St.Johns Perry Barr) group page
Lists Beaver, Cub and Scout sections meeting during term time at St John's Church Centre in Perry Barr. - Birmingham City Council — Councillor Morriam Jan, Perry Barr Ward
Identifies St John's Church Hall as a venue within Perry Barr Ward. - Charity Commission Register — charity 509434
Records the charity as providing education and training services for children and young people aged 6 to 18, and states that it operates in Birmingham City.
Remaining uncertainties
- The Charity Commission return records Birmingham City as the area of operation, but this is a local-authority-level reporting category and does not provide evidence of delivery sites outside Perry Barr.
- The group is listed within Tame Valley Birmingham on the Scouts website, but the available evidence does not show that this affiliation creates additional delivery locations for the 236th Birmingham group itself.
- The Charity Commission records that the charity owns and/or leases land or property, but does not identify the property or establish whether it is the St John's Church Centre meeting venue.
- The registered address is treated as correspondence information rather than an operational site because no evidence shows services being delivered there.
Additional evidence needed
- A current group programme, annual report or official group communication identifying any regular activities, camps or service venues outside St John's Church Centre.
- Confirmation from the group or St John's Church Centre of the group's tenure and use of the premises.
- Current evidence of any joint delivery arrangements through Tame Valley Birmingham that involve this group operating in other Birmingham wards.
Areas of work
- Amateur Sport
- Arts/culture/heritage/science
- Education/training
Who they help
- Children/young People
How they help
- Provides Services
Discoveries involving this organisation
The Atlas has not published any Discoveries involving this organisation yet.
Observations
Activity appears to be a vehicle for civic development
The available evidence suggests that education, culture and amateur sport are used as means of developing character and citizenship, rather than existing as separate ends in themselves.
Why it matters
This helps distinguish the group from a general activity provider: its likely role is to create structured experiences through which young people practise participation, responsibility and shared norms.
Show evidence
“THE INSTRUCTION OF BOYS OF ALL CLASSES IN THE PRINCIPLES OF DISCIPLINE, LOYALY AND GOOD DCITIZENSHIP.”
Source:Charity Commission“Education/training, Arts/culture/heritage/science, Amateur Sport”
Source:Charity Commission
There is a notable mismatch between historic purpose language and stated beneficiaries
The charity object refers specifically to boys, while the activities describe provision for young people of both sexes aged 6 to 18. This may indicate that the organisation's operating practice has broadened beyond the wording of its formal object.
Why it matters
This is important because it may reveal organisational adaptation: the group may be serving a more inclusive constituency than its historic legal language suggests.
Show evidence
“THE INSTRUCTION OF BOYS OF ALL CLASSES IN THE PRINCIPLES OF DISCIPLINE, LOYALY AND GOOD DCITIZENSHIP.”
Source:Charity Commission“Education and Training for young people of both sexes aged 6 to 18 years.”
Source:Organisation
The group may provide a sustained developmental pathway rather than a single-age service
Serving ages 6 to 18 suggests the organisation may be positioned to support young people across several developmental stages, potentially enabling longer-term relationships and progression.
Why it matters
Longer engagement can make an organisation an important local anchor for confidence, skills and belonging, but the evidence does not yet show whether participants actually remain involved over time.
Show evidence
“Education and Training for young people of both sexes aged 6 to 18 years.”
Source:Organisation“Children/young People”
Source:Charity Commission
- How many young people participate, and which communities in Perry Barr the group reaches.
- Whether its activities are delivered independently or through schools, community organisations, faith groups or wider Scout networks.
- How the group interprets citizenship, discipline and loyalty in current practice.
Remaining uncertainties
- A current programme description, membership profile and participation data by age and gender.
- Information on local partnerships, volunteer capacity, meeting locations and referral routes.
- Recent annual reports or accounts describing outcomes, safeguarding and community engagement.
Additional evidence needed
Charity Commission profile
Activities
Education and Training for young people of both sexes aged 6 to 18 years.
Charity objects
THE INSTRUCTION OF BOYS OF ALL CLASSES IN THE PRINCIPLES OF DISCIPLINE, LOYALY AND GOOD DCITIZENSHIP.